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"Since
the magnificent new Spastic Ink album
"Ink Compatible" amazed
us all at Metal Perspective, I thought
that it would be a good idea to gain
more information straight from the
source for the bands plans and not
only. And who could be more accurate
than Ron Jarzombek himself."
Firstly
let me welcome you on our site www.metalperspective.com
.
Yeah, thanks for
the invite!
Your new
album "Ink Compatible" has
been released and what amazed me most
is the idea of the dial-up connection
in the beginning! Whose idea was that?
That dial-up connection
shows you right there how long the
CD was in the works. LOL. That was
back in the day before cable and DSL
came into the picture. Whenever I'd
dial in to the internet, my US Robotics
modem would make the "dial-in"
noises, and after hearing it hundreds
of time, I noticed that there was
some sort of a groove to it. Sure
enough, I whipped out my metronome
and figured out that the tempo was
at 132 BPM. Then I transcribed what
pitches were there, and thought it
would be cool if we actually "played"
it on instruments. On some of the
parts, I had to just make up pitches
because nothing was there but clicking
or buzzing. And so the song starts
with the modem first dialing, then
we play it. At first, I was going
to put the modem on the left channel,
and the band on the right playing
this litle tune simultaneously, but
it flowed better with the parts played
separate, then going into the song.
Maybe on the next pressing of "Ink
Compatible" I should have the
band and the modem playing it at the
same time.
In the new
album you have some additional vocal
contribution by Jason McMaster. How
is the whole atmosphere of working
together and is his position as the
Spastic Ink's singer temporary
or permanent?
That's
a tricky question because even though
having a singer does appeal to a wider
audience, you have your die hard fans
who want you to be instrumental. The
first Spastic Ink CD was all instrumental,
and so that's what the fans expected
o the 2nd CD. Although I think a bit
of a twist or a change is a very cool
thing. And on "Ink Compatible"
there had to be vocals to get across
what I was going for. The ideas that
I have for another Spastic Ink CD
could have vocals, but it also could
be something that we could do just
with instruments. There are lots of
cool words to play off of the "Ink/Inc"
concept, like "Ink Combustible",
"Ink Coherent", "Ink.
Of course there won't be that many
more Spastic Ink CDs , so I was thinking
of having the "Ink ???"
as the titles of the songs, rather
than the "Ink ????" as the
title of the CD. Although if we did
that, I don't know what the CD would
be titled. But if there is going to
be another Spastic Ink CD, it will
only be 3 or 4 players. I'm not going
to try to put someting together like
I did for "Ink Compatible",
then try to find players to pull it
off. If Bobby and Pete can find time
to do another CD, then that would
be great.
Another thing
is that in "Ink Compatible"
you have a majority of great musicians
that you've worked together
to produce the material. How difficult
is it to work with other great musicians
and produce something so technical?
Actually, it was
a bite in the ass. Trying to find
people who could pull it off was very
difficult. But once I weeded through
all of the people who either bailed
on me, or didn't work out for
whatever reasons, I got to collaborate
with some great players and really
cool people. I wish Bobby, Pete, Jason
and I could have done the whole CD,
but with everybody's schedule, it
couldn't be done. I wrote the CD myself
because Bobby was still in Riot in
New York, and he was touring and recording.
It took me about a year and a half
to write all of the songs, then Bobby
landed the Rob Halford gig. So he
was in town for a while and recorded
"Aquanet", "Little
Bit", Melissa" and "Multi-Masking".
After that, he was gone for about
a year or so recording and touring,
then he came back and recorded "Memory"
and "Mouse". During the
time that he was gone, I found Dave
Penna, who recorded the drums on "Read
Me" and "Nerds". Pete
was living in New York for a while
and I was struggling to get any bass
tracks recorded. And so I was looking
for players for years to get tracks
recorded. It all turned out great,
but I wish it would have just been
the 4 of us recording. Sometimes I
feel that with all of the "guests",
it takes away from the "band"
vibe. But under the circumstances,
there was very little I could do about
it. All of the guests got me some
killer tracks. Some of them knocked
my socks off. Jeff Eber is a kid in
his early 20s and he shreds on ACRONYM.
Dave Bagsby's synth solo gave me goose
bumps the first time I heard it. I
was so thrilled that I actually got
Jens Johansson to record 2 solos.
I had known about his playing since
he was dueling solos with Yngwie.
Jimmy Pitts is a speed demon on keys.
Michael Manring wrote and played a
beautiful, melodic fretless solo.
Doug Keyser and Ray Riendeau both
followed the wacky timing on their
tracks with no problems whatsoever.
And of course Jason and Daniel both
took my simple vocal melodies, added
cool harmonies, and brought them to
life. What's kinda funny about the
guests is several of them I've never
met. Two of them I've never even talked
to! I did a lot of communicating through
the internet with audio attachments.
Tell me one
of your most enjoyable moments in
recording the album?
Probably making friends
along the way. Also, finally putting
the songs together after I received
tracks from guests. Some of the songs
were just sitting there for over a
year before anymore tracks were recorded.
On most of the songs, I had recorded
the rhythm tracks, then didn't record
the solos until maybe 2 years later.
On the songs that Bobby first recorded,
I immediately tracked the rhythms,
but didn't get to the solos until
it seemed like the songs was coming
together. As a matter of fact, I wrote
and recorded my solo CD "Solitarily
Speaking Of Theoretical Confinement"
in between recording the rhythms and
solos on those songs. And the solo
CD took a bit over a year put together.
Usually, when you record, there is
waiting around for other tracks to
be completed before you get a good
idea of what the material will sound
like. But on this it was years before
some of the tracks came together.
And what was really exciting was when
I found Jeff Eber, who recorded the
drum tracks for ACRONYM. When that
happened, I realized that completing
the CD was right around the corner.
One of the
guest musicians is Marty Friedman.
How well do you know each other and
is there any possibility in seeing
together in an album as Friedman-Jarzombek
duo?
In September of '03,
Marty and did several shows together
for his solo CDs. I send him a copy
of my solo CD "Solitarily Speaking",
and told him to give me a shot if
he needed a 2nd guitarist for any
performances. Sure enough, he liked
the CD and got in touch with me when
he as setting up a quick west coast
tour with Alex Skolnick (Testament)
and Chris Poland (Megadeth, Ohm).
We also did a gig in at a Baltimore
music festival a few months ago. I
don't know if anything else will happen.
Marty is doing quite well playing
with major acts in Japan, and I don't
think he feels a need to come over
here and put something else together.
We email back and forth maybe every
month or so. He is working on outside
material but I have no idea what his
up to. It would very cool if we could
put some heavy, progressive Friedman/Jarzombek
project together. That's what I was
hoping would happen after the west
coast gigs, but that was pretty much
the end of it.
Since this
is our first interview I would like
you to tell us how this whole thing
with Spastic Ink first started? Was
there any additional collaboration
with other musicians who during the
period of time changed their mind
in working together?
Spastic Ink started
writing our first CD together way
back in '94. We finished putting together
a full CD a few years later, but didn't
release anything because we didn't
have any contacts. This was before
any of us were on the net, so we were
very limited with options. In '97,
Dream Circle records finally released
"Ink Complete" and a few
years later, we pressed up our own
copies under the labels "Eclectic
Electric" and "Mr. Kitty".
This first CD was all instrumental,
featuring my brother Bobby on drums,
Pete Perez on bass, and me on guitar.
My brother and I wrote the material
and I'd say that the music was more
"experimental" back then.
After receiving killer reviews for
the CD, I really wanted to write and
record another CD, but Bobby and Pete
were busy recording and touring with
Riot. You have to remember that at
least 2 years had passed since we
first recorded the material for the
first CD. I was still working with
WatchTower, and so I was the only
one still in town. So I began writing
the material for the next Spastic
Ink CD, but didn't really have the
players that were in place for "Ink
Complete". That's when all of
the guests came in to play. This was
the beginning of a headache that didn't
go away until I found Jeff Eber to
record the final drum tracks. And
yes, there were lots of players that
I was talking to. I got so tired of
running off music sheets and CD-Rs
for players only to find out that
I was dealing with a bunch of flakes.
Over and over. There were a few players
that really waned to play on the CD,
and gave it their best shot, but couldn't
pull off the material. It got so bad
that I gave up halfway through and
put together my solo CD "Solitarily
Speaking..." right in the middle
of it. And that took over a year to
do. So that puts into perspective
how long "Ink Compatible"
was in the works.
Describe
the musical relationship between you
and your brother Bobby. Did you compose
music as kids and if yes is there
any material available?
Bobby
and I did our first gig together at
a talent show at our school when we
were in the 4th and 5th grade. We
played the old TV show theme song
for Hawaii 50. We put together a few
bands with our older brother and later,
a friend from high school. We played
lots of bars in San Antonio under
the name Tarrot, but never did anything
else. We had a few originals, but
it was mostly covers by Rush, Scorpions,
UFO, AC/DC, etc... Eventually, that
ran it's course, and I eventually
joined S.A.Slayer, and Bobby joined
Juggernaut. We also did a two-song
recording under the name "Happy
Kitties". Years later, Bobby
hooked up with Riot, and I found myself
in WatchTower. It was nearly a decade
later that we got together to start
writing the material that became "Ink
Complete". We had also jammed
on Rush songs with Pete when we were
kids, but never did any gigs. I wish
Bobby and I could keep working together
but he's in California right now,
and who knows long he'll be there.
It also seems that he's in a bit of
a different place musically too. I
seem to stay pretty much with the
progressive side of things, and he's
moved on to other things.
Your music
is too technical and rather too progressive!
How do this ideas pop up into your
head? How these ideas are reproduced
into a musical theme while rehearsing
and what is your source of inspiration?
Most of the time
I write tunes when I don't have
a guitar in my hand. I do a lot of
working out note and theoretical patterns
on paper, then apply them to rhythms
and you get a musical tune. I think
up a lot of music when I'm driving,
taking a shower, eating, etc…
Then I pick up my guitar and figure
out what I was thinking. I have a
few of those audio recorders and I
sometimes hum out the part, or tap
out a rhythmic pattern. As far as
writing music that's too technical
or progressive, I usually don't
attempt to write anything technical,
it just comes out that way. If a pattern
of notes, or a phrase happens to take
up 5 counts, then the measure will
be 5/4 or 5/8. If it takes up 7 counts,
then make it 7/4. Trying to make everything
4 or 8 means that you have to either
take off a few notes, or add a few
to make the note phrase work. Sometimes
I want a phrase accented a certain
way, after a certain amount of notes
are played, and things have to be
subdivided accordingly. Sometimes
licks go by really fast and you want
a set of 5 or 7 notes to be repeated
an odd number of times and that's
where the measures of ?/16 come into
play. Having patterns that work out
to be 4, 6 or 8 happens occasionally,
but it could be any number.
Will there
be any European appearances for the
promotion of the new album and is
there any possibility to see you live
in Greece?
Well, Spastic Ink
was asked to play the Headway festival
last year, but I brought up WatchTower
instead, and that happened. I know
that there are some die hard progressive
metal fans in Greece, so it would
be cool to make it out there, either
with WatchTower or Spastic Ink. I
get lots of email and CD orders from
Greece. When WatchTower played in
Holland a few months ago at the Headway
festival, we were asked by a promoter
to play a festival in Greece, but
we would have had to stay in Europe
for too long, to make both festivals,
and were having a hard time trying
to make ends meet. A few shows in
between the festivals were planned,
but nothing could be properly set
up.
What is this
thing that is happening with Watchtower.
Do we have a reunion and should we
hope for a new album release?
WatchTower finished
writing the material for the next
CD to be called "Mathematics"
and we are booking studio time right
now. We are going to record the songs
in two sessions. After Rick records
the first half of the song, the rest
of will record our parts for those
songs. After we get the first half
of songs done, we'll start shopping
the CD while were are recording the
2nd set of songs. I have no idea about
a tentative release date, and I don't
want to go through that again. "Ink
Compatible" came out nearly 4
years after I first predicted it would
be done, so I'm not even going to
attempt to go there. This next WatchTower
CD has been in the works ever since
we got back from the "Control
And Resistance" tour in '90.
About any more "reunion"
shows, I told the Tower guys that
I refuse to do any more shows unless
we get a CD out. I get tired of playing
the same songs that we've done before
thousands of times before, without
anything new. Plus, since we don't
have anything to promote, I think
gigs without a current release are
pointless. Unless you're doing a major
tour, and are doing it strictly for
money. We aren't anywhere near that.
As I have
perceived from the "Ink Compatible"
the technological improvement in the
computing sector is something that
amazes you most. What is your opinion
about the whole idea Computing, Technology
and composing music merging into one.
Is it for the best for the future
of music or is it a threat, since
anyone who is clueless in music can
produce a musical piece that can easily
be absorbed by the market?
Techno music has
been around for decades so I don't
think much has changed as far as the
writing of the music is concerned.
Bands have used synth and other programming
devices to get their songs and ideas
across since disco, or probably even
before that. Maybe nowadays it's easier
to do, and sounds have improved. I've
never been into writing music with
preprogrammed drum beats or existing
tunes. I've always written totally
from scratch. But I do think it's
possible for someone who doesn't
know athing about music to put a song
together with today's technology.
There are drum software programs like
Acid that have beats already programmed
in, you just manipulate them. But
before that, you could have done the
same thing with drum machines. However,
I know that recording methods have
seriously improved. Playing parts
correctly and in time with everyone
else used to be a matter of rolling
tape, waiting for the machine to rewind,
missing punching in and outs, etc...
With computers and editing software,
you can get your parts played exactly
how you want them by choosing from
different takes, and putting things
together on a computer screen. The
bottom line is you still have to play
your parts. With computers, things
can be a lot more accurate, and you
don't have to kill yourself doing
take after take. A lot of times, when
I have to record a difficult part
that's straight triplet sixteenths,
or anything that doesn't require the
"feel" of the other instruments,
I'll just hit the record button on
the computer, and play along to a
metronome. I'll do maybe 10 takes
of the part, then select which parts
of the takes I want to use for the
final, then splice it together. With
the old recording method, you have
to keep punching in and out, miss
a bunch of times, and sometimes recording
over parts that were good takes. I've
even taken it a bit further by playing
anything at random for a few minutes,
then selecting which licks are cool
and flow together, then constuct the
solo on computer. The only way to
do that with older recording methods
is to cut up 1/4 inch 2 track tape
and physically splice licks together.
Or have two separate machines, and
use one for play and the other for
recording. I don't care for a lot
of music that is currently on rock
radio, the corporate rock stuff,.
where you can obviouly tell that there's
one guy at the controls, putting together
a bunch of sampled sounds, and producing
the same exact vibe and sounds of
every other band on the radio. And
with rap music, singers are so talentless
that they have to rely on the "producer"
or sampled sounds from other recordings.
That's ridiculous.
Last but
not least, we would like to know what
are the future plans for Spastic Ink?
I really wish we
could get going on another CD, or
play a few shows. When "Ink Compatible"
was first released, we were getting
invited to play at a few festivals,
and it was seriously talked about
for a few months. But we realized
that we'd be killing ourselves relearning
and rehearsing to play maybe 2 or
3 gigs. If we were asked to go on
a tour or just play a decent amount
of shows, we would have considered
it. When I was writing the material
for "Ink Compatible", I
wasn't really thinking about how the
material would be pulled off live.
I was just trying to put a recording
together. There are so many guitar
parts, that we'd probably have to
have to find another guitarist, or
we'd have to play along to tapes with
backing tracks. I know that a lot
of bands do that these days, but I'm
not too crazy about the idea. Also,
on a few of the "Ink Compatible"
songs, I use different tunings. To
work around that, I built a doubleneck
which would be able to cover two different
tunings in the same song. I've got
lots of ideas for songs and titles
for another CD, but we'll just have
to see if that can happen. But I won't
be too interested in doing it unless
Bobby and Pete can do the whole thing.
If I don't have a band intact, then
we'll have to wait a while.
Ok Ron, thank
you for your precious time. Say if
you like anything to your fans all
around the world and for Greece especially
and we expect to here from you soon!
Thanks again for
the invite, and thanks to the technical/progressive
fans for listening…
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